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There's little debate that health care in this country needs improvement. Costs are high, paperwork is cumbersome and confusing, and patients can get lost in the shuffle. Some believe technology will drive improvements in health care. But the guest on this episode's podcast disagrees.

Aneesh Chopra was the first ever U.S. Chief Technology Officer serving under President Obama. He says technology's role isn't to drive change, but to enable doctors, hospitals and even patients to create change. He dropped in for a conversation before a crowd of health care innovators at the Cambia Grove in Seattle.